Page 2 - CAUTION; RISK OF ELECTRIC SHOCK
2 R This product incorporates copyright protection technology that is protected by U.S. patents and other intellectual propertyrights. Use of this copyright protection technology must be authorized by Macrovision Corporation, and is intended forhome and other limited viewing uses only unless otherwi...
Page 3 - FCC STATEMENT
3 3 Important Safety Instructions FCC STATEMENT FCC STATEMENT This equipment has been tested and found to comply with the limits for a Class B digital device, pursuant to Part 15 ofthe FCC Rules. These limits are designed to provide reasonable protection against harmful interference in a residential...
Page 4 - Dear Panasonic Customer; from your new Plasma TV.; Table of Contents; CableCARD
4 Dear Panasonic Customer Welcome to the Panasonic family of customers. We hope that you will have many years of enjoyment from your new Plasma TV. To obtain maximum benefit from your set, please read these Instructions before making any adjustments, and retain them for future reference. Retain your...
Page 5 - Safety Precautions; WARNING; Set up; Do not place the Plasma TV on sloped or unstable surfaces.; AC Power Supply Cord; Do not handle the power cord plug with wet hands.; If problems occur during use; When using the Plasma TV; • Moving the TV with its cables attached might damage
5 5 Safety Precautions WARNING S M A L L PA R T S C A N P R E S E N T C H O K I N G H A Z A R D I FACCIDENTALLY SWALLOWED.KEEP SMALL PARTS AWAY FROM YOUNG CHILDREN.DISCARD UNNEEDED SMALL PARTS AND OTHER OBJECTS,INCLUDING PACKAGING MATERIALS AND PLASTIC BAGS/SHEETS TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING PLAYED W...
Page 6 - Check that you have the Accessories and items shown; Accessories; Optional Accessories; Cleaning and maintenance
6 The front of the display panel has been speciallytreated. Wipe the panel surface gently using only acleaning cloth or a soft, lint-free cloth. • If the surface is particularly dirty, soak a soft, lint-free cloth in a weak detergent solution and then wring thecloth to remove excess liquid. Use this...
Page 7 - Installation; Receiver Location; Install the batteries and replace the cover.; Precaution on battery use; batteries when replacing the old set.
7 7 Installation The Video/Audio connection between components can be made with shielded video and audio cables. For bestperformance, video cables should utilize 75 ohm coaxial shielded wire. Cables are available from your dealer or electronicsupply store.Before you purchase any cables, be sure you ...
Page 8 - Cable binding instructions; Cable binding condition
8 Y PB PR Y PB PR COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT INPUT 1 INPUT 2 OUTPUT S VIDEO 1 2 L R VIDEO AUDIO IN AV IN R L AUDIO IN Cable binding instructions Cable cover 1 P u s h d o w n h o o k s a n d p u l l t h e cover slightly towards yourself todisengage the claws (at 2 points). 2 S l o w l y p u l l o u t i n...
Page 9 - Procedure; Antenna Connection; Connection
9 9 A N T E N N A C a b l e I n D I G I T A L A U D I O O U T G - L I N K C a b l e C A R D T M A N T E N N A C a b l e I n POD MODULE INSER T THIS END The RF input mode must be set to Antenna(see pages 19, 30). Note:Cables and connectors are not supplied with this set. Mixer UHF VHF Back of the TV ...
Page 10 - Setting the IR Blaster; IR Blaster Connection; Introduction to recording scheduling using the IR
10 Connection Connect the IR Blaster if you wish to send remote control signalsfrom the plasma TV to control the recording of a connectedvideo recorder.Position the IR Blaster remote control emitter facing the signalsensor of the video recorder and you will be able to easily recordprograms from digi...
Page 12 - Video Input Connection
12 AV IN R L AUDIO IN S VIDEO VIDEO L L R R Y VIDEO P B P R P B P R Y Y PROGOUT TO AUDIO AMP COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT 1 2 INPUT 2 INPUT 1 AUDIO AUDIO IN PC INPUT 1 / 2 AUDIO OUT VIDEO OUT S-VIDEO OUT R L COMPONENTVIDEO OUT AUDIO OUTPUT P B P R Y R L VIDEO AUDIO L R COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT 1/2 P B P R Y A...
Page 13 - HDMI Connection; Compatible VIDEO Signal
13 L R AV IN R L AUDIO IN HDMI OUT AUDIO OUT AV IN R L AUDIO IN S VIDEO VIDEO L L R R Y VIDEO P B P R P B P R Y Y PROGOUT TO AUDIO AMP COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT 1 2 INPUT 2 INPUT 1 AUDIO AUDIO IN PC Connection HDMI 1 (High Definition Multi media Interface) is the first all digital consumer electronics A...
Page 14 - Signal Names for D-sub 15P Connector; Model; PC Input Terminals Connection
14 AV IN R L AUDIO IN 1 6 7 8 3 9 4 5 10 15 14 13 12 11 2 Notes:(1) Computer signals which can be input are those with a horizontal scanning frequency of 15 to 110 kHz and vertical scanning frequency of 48 to 120 Hz. (However, the image will not be displayed properly if the signals exceed 1,200lines...
Page 15 - The Main Unit
15 15 TV VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP AUX AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE POWER CH VOL CH VOL + - OK Y PB PR Y PB PR COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT INPUT 1 INPUT 2 OUTPUT S VIDEO 1 2 L R VIDEO AUDIO IN AV IN R L AUDIO IN POWER POWER Power ON / OFF Connect the AC cord plug to the Pl...
Page 16 - Location of Controls
16 TV MENU R-TUNE PLAY TV FF REW PROG RETURN VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 9 AUX AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE STOP PAUSE TV/VCR OPEN/CLOSE DVD/VCR CH REC TVGUIDE PAGE INFO CH VOL CH VOL OK POWER + - SPLIT SWAP PLAY FF REW STOP PAUSE TV/VCR OPEN/CLOSE DV...
Page 17 - EXIT menus Normal viewing, from each menu.; Andrew’s cooking show; Standard; Stereo; Choose menu and submenu entry.; : Move cursor to the left; VOL; : Move cursor to the right during; Direct program number selection buttons
17 SAP • Digital channel Select the audio track (if available). • Analog channel Cycle through different audio modes. LIGHTIlluminate the remote control buttons. The selected button blinks when lit. RECALLDisplay or remove the channel banner. ASPECTChange the screen aspect (see page 51). MUTEMute th...
Page 18 - Language; Date; Clock
18 TV VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 AUX AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE POWER TVGUIDE PAGE INFO MENU RETURN CH VOL CH VOL + - OK First time setup For your convenience, First time setup menu will be displayed on screen when the set is turned on for the firs...
Page 19 - Time; Auto program
19 Auto program is not available while the CableCARD TM is inserted.You can scan All (Analog and Digital) channels. If needed,follow the menus and procedures displayed on-screen forsetting up the features.You can also adjust the settings in Setup menu. Press to select “Time”. Press to adjust “Time”....
Page 20 - INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide; Reminder Screen
20 INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide First time setup Reminder Screen If you previously skipped TV Guide setup, you see theReminder Screen when you power On your TV. OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Press OK to begin TV Guide setup.Follow the instructions on the screento perform setup.(See pages 49-51) M o v e t...
Page 21 - Watching TV programs
21 21 SLEEP TV VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO EXIT SAP AUX AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE POWER MENU RETURN CH VOL CH VOL + - OK TVGUIDE PAGE INFO POWER TV OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Watching TV programs NOTE: The factory default setting is to display the TV Guide channel list whenever the TV i...
Page 22 - On-Screen Menu Displays for Navigation; Press
22 TV R-TUNE PLAY FF REW PROG VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 9 AUX AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE STOP PAUSE TV/VCR OPEN/CLOSE DVD/VCR CH REC POWER TV VOL VOL + - OK MENU RETURN TVGUIDE PAGE INFO SPLIT SWAP CH CH Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV Gui...
Page 23 - Channel lock; Photo Viewer for Memory CARD (See page 39); Press to move the highlighting.
23 Enter new password. - - - - Channel lock CH 1 CH 2 CH 3 CH 4 CH 5 CH 6 CH 7 3 - 0 Clock Mode Date Time Time zone DST Manual 4 / 1 / 2005 9 : 43 AM EST Off Fav. Setup CH scan Language Clock Program channel Input labels CC Setup Other adjust About Reset CC Mode Analog Digital Digital setting CC res...
Page 24 - • Cinema; Menu Navigation; Press to select “Picture”.; Picture; Item
24 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - No Standard +30 0 0 0 +10 Picture 1/2 Normal Pic. mode Picture Brightness Color Tint Sharpness Cool Off Off Picture 2/2 Color Temp Color Mng. C.A.T.S. Zoom Adjust PC Adjust Other Adjust Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV G id No Standard +30 0 0 0 +1...
Page 25 - Other Adjust; Press to select “Other Adjust”.; Zoom Adjust; • Size; Size
25 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - No Standard +30 0 0 0 +10 Picture 1/2 Normal Pic. mode Picture Brightness Color Tint Sharpness Picture 2/2 Color Temp Color Mng. C.A.T.S Zoom Adjust PC Adjust Other Adjust Cool Off Off Other Adjust Video NR 3D Y/C Filter Color Matrix MPEG NR Black level O...
Page 26 - PC Adjust; Sync
26 No Standard +30 0 0 0 +10 Picture 1/2 Normal Pic. mode Picture Brightness Color Tint Sharpness Cool Off Off Picture 2/2 Color Temp Color Mng. C.A.T.S Zoom Adjust PC Adjust Other Adjust OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Menu Navigation PC Adjust During “RGB / PC” input signal. Press to select “PC Adjust”. Pres...
Page 27 - Audio
27 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Set + 7 + 7 0 Audio Normal Bass Treble Balance Other Adjust On On On Off On Auto 0 Other Adjust AI Sound BBE VIVA 3D BBE Surround Speakers HDMI In Audio Leveler Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Set + 7 + 7 0 Audio Normal Bass Treb...
Page 28 - Sleep timer; Timer; Set; To return to the previous screen; Selectable day items
28 310 - 1 EVR FRI 10:00 AM 11:00 AM On Timer 1 CH Day On time Off time Set OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - 310 - 1 EVR FRI 10:00 AM 11:00 AM On Timer 1 CH Day On time Off time Set Press to select“Timer 1” - “Timer 5”.Press to enter thetimer adjustscreen. OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH ...
Page 29 - CH scan
29 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV Guide Setup Fav. Setup CH scan Language Clock Program channel Input labels CC Fav. Setup CH scan Language Clock Program channel Input labels CC Setup Other adjust About Reset OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + ...
Page 30 - Program edit; Program CH; Manual program
30 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - RETURN OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Press to select “Manual”. Press to enter the Manual Programscreen. Press to select “Edit”. Press to enter the edit mode. Press to select the desired presetchannel line.Press to select e...
Page 31 - Signal meter
31 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Apply 12 Favorite Favorite OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Program channel Auto Manual Signal meter OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Press to select “Si...
Page 32 - CC Mode; Input labels
32 Menu Navigation OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Fav. Setup CH scan Language Clock Program channel Input labels CC OK CH VOL CH VOL + - CC Mode Analog Digital Digital setting CC reset Off CC1 Primary OK CH VOL CH VOL + - CC Mode Analog Digital Digital setting CC reset Off CC1 Primary OK CH VOL CH VOL + - SKI...
Page 33 - Digital
33 Menu Navigation OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Press to select “Digital”. Press to select the setting.• “Primary”, “Second.”, “Service 3”, “Service 4”, “Service 5”, “Service 6” • Size : “Automatic”, “Normal”, “Small”, “Large” • Font : “Automati...
Page 34 - About
34 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Off Other Adjust Auto Power On Side Bar 4:3 Screen Display OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Other Adjust Auto Power On Side Bar Off Off Fav. Setup CH scan Language Clock Program channel Input labels CC Setup Other adjust About Reset OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Off Bright Other Adjust Auto Power...
Page 35 - Lock; Lock mode
35 Lock Mode Channel Program Change password Off Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV Guide Setup Lock Mode Channel Program Change password Off Lock Mode Channel Program Change password Off Channel lock CH 1 CH 2 CH 3 CH 4 CH 5 CH 6 CH 7 3 - 0 Enter password. - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 9 OK CH VOL...
Page 36 - Monitor out; Block program
36 Menu Navigation This television incorporates V-Chip technology to block the viewing of movies and television programs according to therating category. There are four (4) Content Advisory Categories: MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America), U.S.TVProgram, Canadian English ratings and Canadian...
Page 37 - CANADIAN ENGLISH RATINGS CHART
37 Menu Navigation U.S. MOVIES RATINGS CHART U.S. TV PROGRAMS RATINGS CHART CANADIAN ENGLISH RATINGS CHART Description Not Rated. See CUSTOMER CAUTION on page 38. All children. The themes and elements in this program are specificallydesigned for a very young audience, including children from ages 2-...
Page 38 - Message; Customer Caution; Possible cause; Lock all is selected.; Blocking Messages
38 Menu Navigation Various Blocking messages are displayed on-screen depending upon the type of blocking you have selected in the Lockmenu. Note:Entering the password will override the block condition. However, the ratings selection will be retained. Message Game locked. Channel locked. All locked. ...
Page 39 - Photo Viewer; SD card slot; Inserting and removing a card
39 39 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV Guide Setup TV VCR DVD DTV RCVR DBS/CBL LIGHT TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP AUX AS PECT FAVORITE POWER JPEG thumbnail Info Total 8 No. 102-0006Date 01/01/2000Pixel 2048x1536 Select Select OK MENU RETURN 102-0002 102-0003 102-0004 102-0005 ...
Page 40 - Card Data Protection; Compatible card type and card size; PC card slot; JPEG thumbnail; Afterimage prevention function
40 Photo Viewer miniSD Card requires miniSD adapter. • This function is not compatible with card type hard disk (Micro Drive, Mobile type hard disk, etc). • Memory cards are not supplied with this television. Card Data Protection • Do not remove the card while the unit is accessing the information. ...
Page 42 - ROOT; Slide Show Mode; Exit Slide Show mode; Mode
42 Single 1 Off Single setting Mode Disp. time Repeat Photo Viewer OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - RETURN ROOT DCIM P1000001.jpgP1000002.jpgP1000003.jpgP1000004.jpg P1010001.jpgP1010002.jpgP1010003.jpgP1010004.jpg 100_PANA 101_PANA Slide Show Mode Press during Single Play Mode. Press to se...
Page 43 - Highlight - indicates an active tile; Press to select “TV GUIDE”.; Press MENU to display the Main menu screen.; Screen Components; TV Guide; See page 48 for Icon DESCRIPTION.
43 43 SCHEDULE LISTINGS SEARCH SETUP SETUP Guide screens have all or many of the features and controls in common, as shown in the following figure: Highlight - indicates an active tile Picture Audio Timer Lock Memory card TV Guide Setup M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE MENU RETURN VOL VOL + - OK PAGE INFO A...
Page 44 - MAIN SERVICES; SEARCH
44 MAIN SERVICES The Guide consists of up to 4 main Services: Listings, Search, Schedule, and Setup.With the item highlighted in the service bar, press the Info button to display a Help screen. Press the Info button again toclose the screen. Listings is always the first Service displayed in the Guid...
Page 45 - Tune to Channel - exits the Guide and tunes to the channel
45 TV Guide <Keyword Search Example>Keyword search lets you enter a word(s) for a particular showtitle found in the Listings Services. Highlight the Keyword Section Bar, and press OK key to display the Keyword Search menu. Highlight New Search, and press OK key. The Search Options menu is disp...
Page 46 - SETUP
46 TV Guide SETUP An icon identifies the event type: After you initially complete Guide Setup, you can make changesto existing Guide settings in the following areas: Change System SettingsChange System Settings let you change your channel lineupas well as any updates to the information you entered d...
Page 47 - Record; ) Using Manual Recording; REMIND; ) Using Manual Reminder
47 TV Guide Record You can set a show to Record in Listings, Search, and Scheduleor change Record settings for a show in Schedule.There are 2 ways to set a show to Record:1) Using a Panel Menu • Highlight a show, and press the Menu button to display the Episode Options menu. • Highlight Set Recordin...
Page 48 - Icon DESCRIPTION; Name
48 TV Guide Icon DESCRIPTION Name Info Button Progress Bar HDTV AC3 Dolby Digital New Stereo CC TV Rating Lock/Unlock Description Indicates additional Info box information is available or thatthe Info box has additional sizes.Indicates additional Info box information is available. Icon onlyappears f...
Page 49 - key to display Screen 3.; key to display Screen 2.; At each INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide screen, use the “; ” key to enter responses to questions shown on; key even if screen instructions specify an “Enter” key.
49 49 Screen 3: Do you have Cable?• If you select Yes, you see Screen 5.• If you select No, you see Screen 4. Screen 2: Enter ZIP or Postal CodeInput numbers, and press OK key to display Screen 3. Screen 1: CountryHighlight a country, and press OK key to display Screen 2. INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV ...
Page 50 - key; key to display the Recorder Brand name screen.; key to; OR; key to display Screen 7.
50 Screen 11 : Recorder stopped playing?If you select Yes, you see Screen 12.If you select No, a different code is tested in Screen 10.If you select Test this code again, the same code is testedagain in Screen 10. INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide Screen 8: Recorder Brand NameSelect the brand of the ...
Page 51 - INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide / Aspect Controls; Press to change the aspect mode.; Aspect Controls; Zoom; key to display the “Helpful information” screen.
51 Screen 12 : Confirming Your SettingsVerify the Setup information is correct.If it is, select Yes, end setup, and you see Screen 13.If it is not, select No, repeat setup process, and you seeScreen 1. INITIAL GUIDE SETUP for TV Guide / Aspect Controls Displays a picture at full screen size. (Recomm...
Page 52 - Picture and picture mode; Changing the viewing condition; Picture out of picture mode
52 Split - Screen Picture and picture mode Press to display twoscreen. (SPLIT frame) Notes:• Audio is from Main picture only.• Do not display a picture in two screen for an extended period, as this can cause an after-image to remain on the display field. • To reduce the occurrence of after-images, s...
Page 53 - Operating peripheral equipment; Press and hold POWER and; POWER and; programming will fail.; To find a code not listed in the index; Programming the remote control code
53 53 Operating peripheral equipment RCVR DBS/CBL AUX VCR DVD 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 9 OK CH VOL CH VOL + - OK CH VOL CH VOL + - R-TUNE PROG RETURN MENU PLAY FF REW TV/VIDEO SLEEP EXIT SAP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 9 AS PECT M U TE RE CA LL FAVORITE STOP PAUSE TV/VCR OPEN/CLOSE DVD/VCR CH REC LIGHT POWER TV TV V...
Page 54 - designed to control all features available in all models.; Infrared Code Index; Infrared Remote Codes for Specific Components; Codes for VCR
54 Operating peripheral equipment The remote control is capable of operating many brands of peripheral equipment. Refer to page 53 for programmingprocedures. Notes: • The remote control memory is limited and therefore some models may not be operated. The remote control is not designed to control all...
Page 56 - Mode Operational Key Chart
56 Operating peripheral equipment Mode Operational Key Chart This chart defines which keys are operational after programming (if needed), while in the selected remote controlmode, DTV, CABLE, DBS, VCR, DVD ...etc. POWER MENU RE CA LL EXIT R-TUNE PROG REC KEY NAME DTV MODE CABLE MODE DBS MODE POWER N...
Page 57 - Specifications
57 57 Applicable input signals ( mark) VIDEO input COMPONENTinput VIDEO input HDMI input PC RGB input T AV IN R L AUDIO IN S VIDEO VIDEO L L R R Y VIDEO P B P R P B P R Y Y PROGOUT TO AUDIO AMP COMPONENT VIDEO INPUT 1 2 INPUT 2 INPUT 1 AUDIO AUDIO IN PC Note: Signals without above specification may ...
Page 58 - Troubleshooting Chart; Page
58 Troubleshooting Chart Before calling for service, determine the symptoms and follow suggested solutions. 9 99 - 211727211727 30 9 15 24, 27 21 11-14 53-5553-55 13 24, 25 21 - 31 17 - 27 32 7 Digitalizationof imageImage freeze up Audio Break up Noisy Audio Noisy Audio Noisy Audio No Audio Noisy Au...
Page 60 - Limited Warranty Coverage; Limited Warranty continued on next page
60 LIMITED WARRANTY (for U.S.A.) PANASONIC CONSUMER ELECTRONICS COMPANY, PANASONIC SALES COMPANY, DIVISION OF: DIVISION OF: PANASONIC CORPORATION OF NORTH AMERICA PANASONIC PUERTO RICO, INC. One Panasonic Way Ave. 65 de Infanteria, Km. 9.5 Secaucus, New Jersey 07094 San Gabriel Industrial ParkCaroli...
Page 61 - (As examples, this excludes damages for lost time, cost of having
61 Limited Warranty (for U.S.A.) Limited Warranty continued from previous page Limited Warranty Limits And Exclusions This Limited Warranty ONLY COVERS failures due to defects in materials or workmanship, and DOESNOT COVER normal wear and tear or cosmetic damage, nor does it cover markings or retain...
Page 63 - Panasonic Canada Inc.; PANASONIC PRODUCT - LIMITED WARRANTY; Link: “ServicentresTM locator” under “Customer support”; Our Customer Care Centre:
LIMITED WARRANTY (for Canada) Panasonic Canada Inc. PANASONIC PRODUCT - LIMITED WARRANTY Panasonic Canada Inc. warrants this product to be free from defects in material and workmanship and agrees to remedy any such defect for a period as stated below from the date of original purchase. In-home Servi...
Page 64 - Notes
Page 65 - Customer’s Record; Model Number
Customer’s Record The model number and serial number of this product can be found on its back cover. You should note thisserial number in the space provided below and retain this book, plus your purchase receipt, as a permanentrecord of your purchase to aid in identification in the event of theft or...